
The Deep Dish Podcast
Join us for The Deep Dish—a podcast from TGC! Inspired by our love of deep-dish pizza, and our even greater hunger for deep conversations about the deep truths of God, Melissa Kruger and I host discussions that equip you to engage in rich discipleship relationships in your local context. Tune in for warm conversations among friends—including special guests along the way—as we dig deeper into God’s Word and explore how it applies to every area of our lives.
Self-Care vs. Self-Sacrifice
Melissa and I discuss how to apply biblical discernment to when to prioritize wise self-care and when to put aside your needs for the sake of others. We discuss how to set wise boundaries while showing Christlike love, and moving beyond thinking about ourselves to turning our eyes to Jesus.
Recognizing Our Own Marks of Righteousness
Melissa and I discuss how to recognize and repent of the ways we may be relying on self-righteousness rather than Christ’s righteousness. We talk about tribalism, debatable issues, and how the areas where we feel despair may point to pride or self-righteousness in our lives.
Kickstart Your Prayer Life
Melissa and I discuss helpful practices we've used in our prayer lives, including alternating prayer with Scripture reading, and incorporating confession of sin as a part of personal prayer. We talk about how to be faithful to a promise to pray for someone else and how to make prayer part of a friendship.
Bonus: Preparing for a Holiday that Will Disappoint
Melissa and I talk about the gap between our expectations for the holidays and the disappointment we often feel. We discuss how to be proactive in preparing our hearts to hope in the Lord rather than in perfection, and how inviting nonfamily into family holidays can bring great blessing.
The Dish on Gossip
In this episode, Melissa and I talk about why we’re so drawn to gossip, how to avoid it, and how to repent of it when you fail. They discuss some telltale phrases that are red flags for gossip, how to turn the conversation to something else, and when and how it’s right to confess gossip.
Live: Bible Study in the Local Church Matters
In this live episode recorded at TGC25, Melissa and I talk about why group Bible study is so important in the life of a church. We share advice on the practicalities of how to run a study well by limiting time spent on icebreaker questions and giving guidelines for sharing prayer requests.
Grief, Loss, and Gratitude in the Christian Life
In this episode, I talk with Whitney Pipkin and Wendy Alsup, two friends who have known deep grief. We talk about why grief can be so surprising, why God allows it, and how to talk to a grieving friend. Be comforted that even if grief feels strange and disorienting, you’re not alone.
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Romans 8 Deserves a
Deep Dive
Married for Good
In this episode of The Deep Dish, guests Vanessa Hawkins and Jen Wilkin share their wisdom from more than 25 years of marriage. They talk about the ways marriage differed from their expectations, what practices have strengthened their marriages through life’s ebbs and flows, and the worst marriage advice they’ve heard.
Conversations with God
In this episode of The Deep Dish, Courtney Doctor and Melissa Kruger talk with Nancy Guthrie about their prayer lives. They discuss why it makes sense to pray even when we believe God has already determined what’s going to happen, and why it makes sense to let God’s Word shape our prayers.
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Passing Our Faith to the Next Generation
Melissa talks with Amy Gannett and Laura Wifler about how to parent in a way that passes on the Christian faith. They talk about their own homes growing up and the importance of passing on a delight in the things of God. They encourage moms who might feel awkward and share some favorite children's resources.
When You (or a Friend) Face Unwanted Divorce
I talk with Wendy Alsup and Vaneetha Rendall Risner about their experiences of divorce. They share the Bible verses that sustained them and talk honestly about what to say (or not say) to someone going through a divorce. They explain the difficulty of going to church and why it’s vital to go anyway.
Why We Can Trust the Resurrection
Melissa and I talk with New Testament scholar (and Melissa’s husband) Mike Kruger about the excellent evidence that Jesus physically rose from the dead and the difference that makes for our lives. Dr. Kruger points out that Jesus's resurrection prediction validates his claims to be the Son of God.
Fighting Materialism in a Materialistic World
Melissa and I talk with Jen Oshman about the lie of materialism. We discuss why we try to fill a God-shaped hole with earthly things and how to recognize materialism in our lives.
We discuss strategies to combat materialism, including setting your heart on heavenly possessions rather than earthly ones.
When You Want to Change Your Husband
In this episode, Melissa talks with Ann Wilson about the power of words in marriage and the importance of speaking life to one’s spouse. They talk about recognizing that every marriage has peaks and valleys and give practical advice for getting through the hard seasons.
Making Decisions with Our Limits in Mind
In this episode, Melissa and I talk with Jen Wilkin about how to make decisions in light of our finiteness. We discuss why quitting is sometimes wise, how to think about decisions that will affect your family, and why it’s better to think of God’s will as a field rather than a maze.
Social Media: Wisdom and Warnings
In this episode, Melissa Kruger talks with her friends Hunter Beless and Laura Wifler about the role social media has played in their lives, both positive and negative. They discuss what red flags they look for in their own lives that show social media is doing them more harm than good.
Season 1: Your Questions, Our Answers
In this episode, Melissa Kruger and I respond to questions submitted by listeners, including advice for newlyweds, how women can thoughtfully have relationships with their pastors and elders, our go-to verses for lonely times—and, last but not least, our favorite pizza toppings!
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Your Church Needs You to Show Up
In this episode of The Deep Dish, Melissa Kruger and I talk with Vanessa Hawkins about the vital and beautiful role the church should have in every Christian’s life. We talk about why your church attendance and involvement are necessary not only for your own spiritual growth but for the other members of Christ’s body.
Work Well With All Types of People
In this episode of The Deep Dish, Courtney Doctor and Melissa Kruger talk with their colleague Ann Westrate about how understanding each others’ gifts has enhanced their work as a team. Understanding the different gifts represented in a team helps enhance morale and strengthen relationships.
Aging is a Discipleship Issue
In this episode of The Deep Dish, Melissa Kruger and Courtney Doctor talk with Jen Wilkin about how to embrace a more biblical view on bodies, aging, beauty, and youth. They discuss how to see aging as a gift rather than a disease and how we can prepare our spirits for the decline of our bodies.
Mentoring in Real Life
Courtney Doctor, Melissa Kruger, Vanessa Hawkins, and Jen Wilkin share their experiences of mentoring and being mentored. They discuss the biblical impetus for life-on-life discipleship and how to overcome the intimidation factor when someone asks you to mentor her. They give practical advice on how to make a mentoring relationship work in real life.
Don't Take a Vacation From Spiritual Growth
Melissa and I discuss the importance of pursuing spiritual growth during the summer, despite disrupted routines. We recommend lots of resources for summer drop-in Bible studies and encourage listeners to consider living missionally by hosting a study or discussion in their homes with their neighbors.
A Deep Dish Birthday Party (with Special Guests!)
To celebrate the first birthday of The Deep Dish, Melissa and I welcome special guests to answer tough questions sent in by listeners. We talk about the difference between shame and the Spirit’s conviction, how to seek advice about a conflict without gossiping, and more!
Remembering Death Teaches Us to Live
I talk with Colleen Chao about how her faith has grown and flourished through living with a terminal cancer diagnosis. We discuss what keeps her clinging to Jesus, and what excites her about the life to come. Colleen expounds a rich theology of suffering accompanied by contagious joy in the Lord.
Conversational Bridges to Evangelism
In this episode, Melissa and I talk with Becky Pippert about how to develop godly confidence to engage in evangelistic conversations with love. Becky tells stories about sharing her faith with her own parents and talks about how to go from a natural conversation to a spiritual one.​
Kitchen Table Counseling Within Your Local Church
In this episode, Melissa Kruger and I chat about how to seek out the wisdom of godly friends—and how to respond well when someone comes to you for advice. It’s a conversation meant to help you listen well, speak with grace, and carry one another’s burdens in love.
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Sacrificial Yeses and Necessary Nos
In this episode of The Deep Dish, Melissa Kruger and I talk about how to think of yourself with sober judgment and the wrong reasons to say “yes” and “no”. Although there’s no formula for determining when to say yes or no, there’s always wisdom available from God when we ask for it.
Choosing Contentment
In this episode of The Deep Dish, Courtney Doctor and Melissa Kruger talk with Elizabeth Woodson about the true meaning of contentment and how to find it. They talk about the enemies of contentment as well as how the psalms of lament show us that grieving is compatible with contentment.
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Making Sense of God's Sovereignty
In this episode of The Deep Dish, Melissa Kruger and Courtney Doctor talk about the mysterious tension between the doctrine of God’s sovereignty and our own human responsibility. They discuss how what’s initially a troubling doctrine can become our deepest comfort.
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Introducing The Deep Dish
Courtney Doctor and Melissa Kruger introduce The Gospel Coalition’s new podcast for women, The Deep Dish. They talk about why women need to have deep conversations and what might stand in the way. Listen to find out about the guests and topics this first season will cover, and join them for deep conversations about deep truth!








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